Sunday, July 16, 2006

Stegall, Reloaded

So I will plead guilty to the charge of tossing some red meat in my last post. It's fun, it's fast, and it's easy, but it makes it a little too easy for other people to put words in your mouth. So instead of engaging in a game of pistols-at-dawn, I'd like to try and focus on the substance of my earlier criticisms.

Stegall writes,

Folk populism requires people willing to make sacrifices to defend what they love from encroaching destruction via spaghetti-like superhighways, foreign entanglements, megacorporations and megachurches, technological developments, mass media and hypermobility.

All of these features of modernity are systems of control by other, less violent means.

I want to pause for a minute on this because this last sentence is already making a very bold claim. It also has a distinctly Marxist cant to it. Now just to spell it out for everyone, I am not calling Caleb Stegall a disciple of of Lenin. I am not even saying that he is necessarily wrong. But I don't think it's unfair to note that over the past 50 years or so, if you simply bet "black" every time the faculty at the local college put their money on "red," you would probably come out ahead on 90% or more of the issues in question. So while the point is not to be dismissed out of hand it is reasonable to ask for a higher standard of evidence.

But not only is the notion stated as a fait accomplis, Stegall barely pauses for a breath before taking the thesis considerably farther:

As Mr. Lasch cogently argued, they have the effect of harnessing and neutralizing populist discontent. How? By creating a cycle of dependence whereby local goods – intellectual, fiscal, cultural and generational capital (in the form of children) – are drawn into the maw of the centralized corporate-state. They are returned in the form of processed "goods" – products and services that prove to be remarkably habit-forming in a culture of dependency.

Again we have assertions without evidence or example. Now this is all great stem-winding stuff for sure. I don't doubt that it could get some heads nodding along at the local grange hall. But the indictment is awfully far-reaching. So let's look at his next graf wherein he reveals the machinery at work:

Here's how it works. Midwestern wheat farms are largely owned by massive agribusinesses that function as industrialized, oil-dependent factories dedicated to efficient mass production of their widget, which happens to be the wheat berry. The wheat berry is shipped to other factories for processing and packaging, shipped again to Wonder Bread Inc. for further refinement into a "bread product." This, in turn, is shipped to stadium-size retail "food outlets," purchased by the hurried and haggard farm laborer (who used to own the land the wheat was grown on) and taken home to make sandwiches for the kids to eat in front of the TV.
OK, there's a lot in here. Let's take it one piece at a time:

"massive agribusinesses that function as industrialized, oil-dependent factories": Last I checked, family farms use tractors, fertilizers, and pesticides too. So I don't see how family farms would be significantly less industrialized or oil-dependent.

"efficient mass production of their widget, which happens to be the wheat berry": And small local farms are different how? Granted, they are often not cpable of efficiency on the scale of the massive agribusinesses (which explains why they exist), but within their own capabilities they certainly work their hardest to maximize their yield. And the whole "wheat berry" thing is just an epithet applied for rhetorical effect. Farmers don't grow wheat because their daddy and his daddy did, they grow it because it gives them the best profit. You can read journals written by farmers in colonial times which show them discussing how many acres of X and Y to plant because of market prices for those things. Farming is and has always been a business.

"The wheat berry is shipped to other factories for processing and packaging, shipped again to Wonder Bread Inc. for further refinement into a 'bread product.'" Ah yes, that damned Wonder Bread! You know why people eat the stuff? It's those damned highways and megachurches. Wonder Bread has been around since 1930, but has fallen on hard times lately as consumers discover that flavor and texture are not things to be frightened of. So much for elites controlling and manipulating our every decision. And does he really expect every baker to mill their own flour? They don't even do that in France.

"This, in turn, is shipped to stadium-size retail 'food outlets,' purchased by the hurried and haggard farm laborer": Have you ever known a farmer who wasn't hurried and haggard? It's awfully hard work. In fact, the farmer is less hurried and haggard as a result of not having to go to four or five different "food boutiques" in order to take care of the family's grocery needs.

"(who used to own the land the wheat was grown on)": When? 1885? By the 1920s we were becoming an unabashedly urban nation in population terms. And even prior to that a large proportion of people working on farms were hired hands.

"taken home to make sandwiches for the kids to eat in front of the TV.": Would you be happier if they ate it in front of the radio?

OK, so let's re-write this paragraph, stripping out the hyperbole and "gravy," and see how it sounds:

Here's how it works. Midwestern wheat farms are largely owned by massive agribusinesses large companies that function as industrialized, oil-dependent factories dedicated to efficient mass production of their widget, which happens to be the wheat berry. The wheat berry This is shipped to other factories for processing and packaging milled into flour and shipped again to Wonder Bread Inc. for further refinement into a "bread product" bread to bakers, whose bread This, in turn,
is shipped to stadium-size retail "food outlets," supermarkets that save the purchased by the hurried and haggard farm laborer time(who used to own the land the wheat was grown on) so she can get and taken get home sooner to make sandwiches for the and eat dinner with her kids in front of the TV.

So maybe I went a little overboard in suggesting that Stegall was dancing on the razor's edge of moonie territory. But let's be clear here, he, not I, is the one suggesting the presence and fact of a wide-ranging conspiracy directed against at least half the population of the country. As evidence of this he offers the fact that Boston's bread is baked in Ohio from grain grown on a farm in Nebraska that is owned by a company rather than a family. I'd make a "rye" comment about this but I don't want anyone to think I'm comparing Stegall to Pol Pot, or even Kettle.

17 Comments:

Blogger Cubeland Mystic said...

I’d like to think that I am a rational guy. Not to mention I’d like to think that I am a practical guy. I agree with what Caleb is saying an also what you are saying. The difference between you two is that back in the day when you had 50 family farms you had 50 families who were in charge of their own destiny to a certain degree. In the days when everyone was “on the farm” most people could attain a level of competence with their work and a level of self sufficiency that made a man feel comfortable in his skin.

Today if I want to go into business for myself, I have to take on partners to mitigate risk. Let’s take health insurance, my son got 7 stitches in the emergency room last year. The bill was $1200 for seven stitches. So my first partner is a health insurance company because it is irrational not to have it. Here is the honest truth I want the modern conveniences, but I don’t want to pay $1200 for them. A hundred years ago you would have stitched up your own kid for free, and assumed all the other risks like death by polio etc. I am willing to pay a fair price for this service like $120 an hour, but this rate is too much, perhaps even exploitative. Hence I stay put in my corporate job for fear of being caught unable to pay my partner the insurance company. What I think Stegal, Rod, and even myself is arguing for is the ability to be self sufficient. I am not community adverse, I simply want to be self sufficient so as not to be a burden and to help when necessary.

In past posts, I hesitated bringing up my reasoning on why I support the concepts espoused by these gentlemen. Simply because I know that my arguments are weak. All I have to offer is my experience and my intuition. You cannot base a movement on what you “kinda feel“ intuitively. Since my assertions are philosophically weak I am certain how you will treat them. What you will do is A) discount my anecdotal evidence as too specific and say that it does not necessarily scale, or B) you will say that I am being too theoretical, and not offering enough evidence for the broad assertions that I am making. And you guys will be philosophically correct to do it.

I assure you that I am not a crypto leftist. I’ve made this statement several times before. It is my conservatism that is at odds with the big corporate machine. I’ve worked most of my career in Fortune 500 companies, and I don’t see them as conservative institutions. I simply rather deal with contra or bubba than deal with IBM professional services. I’d rather use Pauli’s services that a big corporate placement agency. I prefer you all over your bigger corporate competitors. Most of this is written in the first person, and so it is weak opinion but I trust you can see some truth in it.

This is why I cannot dismiss Stegal or Rod out of hand. I feel the same way as they do. I feel controlled. More so than me, I saw my kids put on a mainstream societal treadmill from the time they were born. This is hard to watch. I want them to be free, not be funneled. Like traffic we are funneled into the same directions as cars. We don’t have to drive on the super highway, and we have that choice not to, but once one is on it, one’s choices are limited. You do have follow the pace and flow of the traffic lest you get a citation. It is very difficult to be countercultural.

To close, it is reasonable and practical to rely on yourself for your material survival as much as possible. To be self sufficient. It is better to be a generalist than to specialize to the point of absurdity. Even in nature highly specialized animals run the risk of extinction. Why should I participate in a society that promotes specialization disguised as a broad swath of choices. Simply put that’s the way I view it, and my anecdotal evidence supports it.

Please forgive all the first person references and argumentative chopiness here, but I am going to be out of pocket for the next several days and kind of rushed. So I won’t be able to respond. I am sorry that this is going to be one of the last posts by you guys, I hope that it is not. This has been an excellent blog. You are all very brilliant people, and I admire your talents very much. Even though I don’t agree with you all on some issues, this has been a great example of true community. Much more meaningful than yelling “word up yo!” with those that I am more ideologically aligned. Good luck to you all, and please stop by my blog and say hello every once in awhile. You're most welcome.

God bless you.

And Contra a special gift for you who is so deeply blessed with the Baptism of Desire.
http://www2.bc.edu/~anderso/sr/ft.html

8:25 PM  
Blogger Pauli said...

Scattered musings re: specialization: Chesterton pointed out that men are best at being specialists and women are more suited to being generalists, esp. mothers, part of whose job is to introduce a child "to a world" -- so it's best that a mother be a little gifted at a lot of different things whereas a man goes out and gets really good at one thing to be a more effective bread-winner. I don't remember the exact essay/book in which he wrote this.

Chesterton is a favorite of most of the crunchy-bunch and in pointing this out, I doubt he's arguing for industrialization or globalization or making things more complex by continuing to specialize. More than anything he's just making a point from common sense. There's a balance between specialization and generalization and it seems to correspond somewhat to male/female, i.e., the natural compliment in the order of creation. At least to G.K.'s mind and, oh baby, what a mind.

Maybe, Mystic, you can factor this into your thought processes. I for one am willing to admit that it's possible that I can lean too far toward specialization, but that doesn't mean I have to write off the entire concept. The "point of absurdity" for me may be different than what it is for others. A lot of it comes down to freedom and preference which, of course, should be guided by wisdom.

6:05 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

Rod was a big fish in a small pond growing up. his move to NYC made the scales fall from his eyes, and he realized he wasn't the smartest little dickens in the whole wide world. NYC didn't stop in its tracks and pay obeisance to dreher and his gifts. dreher's reaction? anger. pure, petulant anger. Stegall apparently had the same experience somewhere along the line. perhaps his clerkship for a federal judge didn't go so well (after a look at his writing style, I would guess perhaps not). these guys played with the big boys for a bit of their lives, have all retreated back to a more local scene, and are now attempting to paint the retreat as decisions made from a sort of spiritual wisdom. which would be fine, in and of itself. but one has to ask: why are these guys are seething with hostility, as can be seen when they are addressed by anyone who's not part of the amen chorus?

I think the contras have done a yeoman's job of pointing out that the crunchies are not paragons of lucidity or mental stability. the only people who read dreher now, let alone take dreher seriously, are beyond help (or unworthy of it), IMHO.

8:55 AM  
Blogger The Snob said...

Diane & Kathleen,

It might benefit our POV to spend a little more time working out the holes in the ideas, as opposed to the holes in the people. Otherwise we make it too easy for them to say that all we ever do here is talk smack about them.

11:52 AM  
Blogger kathleen said...

Cube, are you kidding? they no longer deserve my generosity. I could make a list of the names i have been called on Rodblog and elsewhere in the past 2 weeks alone, by Rod himself as well as his zealot, commenter thugs. and let's not forget the treatment doled on the blog run by esteemed catholic apologist Mark Shea, who would be ashamed of himself if he had enough sense. I'm tempted to start name-calling in return, but why bother when a little armchair psychoanalysis will do (sometimes the truth hurts). I don't shrink from a fight, even if I am a girl. their ideas are worthless to me. basta.

12:45 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

sorry, i meant to address contra, not cube. my turn to apologize to JohnT.

12:47 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

better yet, use me as an excuse to shut the blog down (but if you're going to do that, please let me know ahead of time so i can really let my hysterical female freak flag fly). i think i need a new internet hobby.

i'm serious actually. but if you think there is anything more to their ideas, feel free to continue. personally i don't anything more to talk about. they're schmoes, QED.

1:08 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

oh diane, diane, tsk tsk ... don't you know a true model of christian conservative womanhood would offer fulsome, gentle praise to men struggling to formulate their very own weltanschaung, while restricting the "what a load of crap!" comments to the bosom of the family?

we have so much to learn. so very very much to learn.

1:30 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

I just disagree bubba. Rod is basically co-opting conservatism and catholicism and orthodoxy and even "crunchiness" to further his own therapeutic agenda, one element of which is his overwhelming need to be the smartest guy in the room with his very own blog and very own following, etc. I object to his co-cooptation and I wish to point it out and counteract it. So while my armchair psychoanalysis might have the same effect as the lobbing of spitballs, it's qualitatively different in that it furthers my objective of pointing out that the only "there there" is Rod and his wounded psyche. and i'm not going to withhold my ideas about "crunchy conservatism" (may as well be called "the psychodrama of rod and his friends") b/c i might hurt the little guy's feelings, especially when he has been so vicious to me personally.

I NO CARE what the crunchies think of me, and frankly i don't really care what you guys think of me either. i'm sorry if you think i have gone overboard but if one reads what i write carefully on will see i'm consistent with the reasoning i lay out here. my criticism is about rod because crunchy conservatism is about rod.

2:30 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

why do i feel like israel at the UN?

call me israel! bombs away!

i think we're taking all this a bit seriously. i'm not sure "wisdom" enters into it.

5:41 PM  
Blogger Pauli said...

Bubba: "And it should go without saying: you don't get obese by eating toxic food. You get obese by eating too much food -- even our precious organic food can't stop a glutton from getting fat."

I think their unstated assumption is that corporations benefit from greed, gluttony, etc. rather than virtues of self-control and temperance in consumption. Of course so would the family farm. But there is more psych-warfare marketing perceived as coming from the corporate folks. Example: fancy packaging, contests, sports-celeb endorsements, subliminal "new and improved"-type messages, larger bags and boxes of things, bigger serving sizes, etc.

But as the head of a family of 5, I'm glad we can benefit from the reduced cost per unit of big boxes of Cheerios and Corn Flakes. I think we can develop the personal moderation required not to eat all the cereal in one sitting. This all leads me back (again) to the concept of individual virtue and how it's necessary whether society is trying to starve you or make you obese.

Also, if advertising is a devil, it's a devil to be primarily mocked and laughed at. "Look whose hard up for steroid money!" and "We don't need to win a car that big, where would we park it?" are the kind of responses called for IMO.

7:30 AM  
Blogger kathleen said...

thanks diane. the post that seemed to get people riled up was a theory/explanation of Dreher and Stegall's hostility, which at this point seems beyond dispute. if one is going to continue a discussion of their thinking, IMHO it rings false to ignore it.

11:29 AM  
Blogger The Snob said...

D & K:

Quentin Crisp once wrote, "Don't bother trying to keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level: It's much cheaper."

The truth is that it is Dreher and Stegall who are speaking from the podium right now. We are the people in the audience heckling them. If some guy gets up while Ted Kennedy is speaking and yells "Chappaquiddick," he will be quickly escorted out of the room and labeled a wack job, even if he is, objectively speaking, making a salient point.

I do not particularly care whether Rod or Casey like us, but I would prefer that they, and more importantly the audience in general, not view us as the guy who stands outside the Kennedy rally with the sandwich board with a picture of Mary Jo Kopechne on it. The point here isn't to fling mud, even if it's righteous mud, but to win the election as it were.

I do not believe that they are complete and total cranks. As Cubeland's comments often suggest, they start with an honest thread and perhaps run it out a little too far. In any case, even if you think they are completely insane, their ideas have emotional appeal that will draw in many gullible people. It is frustrating and difficult, but I believe the best response is to maintain a steady and dispassionate opposition calmness and sobriety.

I am trying to live up to this advice a little better myself, too.

12:50 PM  
Blogger kathleen said...

Quentin crisp can always be relied on for a pertinent quote. was that quote meant to discourage me, btw? b/c i think it had the opposite effect of what was intended. : )

Stegall and Dreher have what podium? the dallas morning news? the new pantagruel? ooooooooh!! or as my nephew might say, BFD. what makes those qualitatively better than our little outpost? If you mean more people are reading their stuff, I'll grant you that, but then again more people think they are idiots, so it's a double edged sword.

don't go all bourgeois on us contra. did someone shake their finger at you? why so staid all of a sudden?

1:41 PM  
Blogger The Snob said...

I just feel like things may have tipped a little far in the other direction.

4:49 PM  
Blogger Cubeland Mystic said...

Guys, just got back into town. I read through most of these replies but I don’t think I can reply to everything. I did read the book. I could be interpreting it through my lens, but I don’t think that self sufficiency conservatives (I cannot use the term crunchy anymore) are advocating turning back the clock or making food more expensive. I definitely do not think that it is an agrarian only concept. I have no desire to move to the country and farm.

How do I begin to explain that Christian self sufficiency is concomitant with the free market and should promote less government not more? I cannot do it in this comment. Let me list some of the motives behind our lifestyle. First it is informed by our Roman Catholic faith. I am greatly influenced in my thinking about work by St. Escriva (Opus Dei), but I am not a member. Work sanctifies you. Hence, the work of motherhood is as important as being a senior partner in a law firm. This is not patronizing I really mean it! The problem comes when women feel forced to chose between career and children. This to me is a problem.

My wife and I have had many conversations about this with friends and colleagues and we think that we identified two mindsets that influence women. First, they want to be fulltime moms but somehow the standard of living forces them into the workplace. Second, they can afford to be with the kids but have been acculturated to believe that they must have a career because the work of raising kids is inferior. The first rationale is legitimate as long as the rationale for work is necessary. The second is not.

Our enterprise with the Immaculate Direction is to strengthen families starting with our own. Figure out how to maximize time spent raising kids, and document our solutions for other families. The life of the family is sacred. In other words it sanctifies the participants. So the focus on a sacramental life is to put the work of family into the proper perspective.

One area that we wanted to focus on is developing our children into active creators rather than passive consumers. The act of creation is good, because God creates and we want to be like Him. These simple lessons of creating will someday be used to prepare them for when they enter into the ultimate act of creation when they bring new life into this world. I mean all of this in the spirit of what the Church teaches about co-creation.

I don’t think a sacramental life is at odds with Sole Fide. I think all of this “stuff” is a visible manifestation of my faith. It is kind of funny but before I reverted after spending many years hanging out with liberal nihilists- the days before I said I believe please Lord help my deep abiding unbelief-I thought so fondly of those folks in the suburbs with their families and neat lawns. How could they be happy with their Blazers with the fish magnets, and all those kids inside always on their ways to be dropped off? The suburbs are an oasis of life compared to the materialist wasteland that once gripped my mind.

Our motivation is to protect family and life itself. A lot of the justifications for abortion are economic. In our small way we want to show those justifications as fallacious. We want to promote family life, regardless of your material surroundings. We want to honor families who stand against the force of the dominant culture. We want to do this without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We love high technology and promote its use here at the cubeland monastery. The kids are learning to be progressive not regressive. By being active creators we teach them how to transform the side yard into garden that helps sustain their lives. We hope the physical labor will teach them to NEVER look down on any human being's work. Perhaps the transformation of the side yard will lead to the terraforming of the moon. Perhaps the emphasis on high technology will give them the skills and confidence to take it to another level regardless of the discipline.

I hope this gives you a better understanding of what motivates us. I hope you see that there is not a lot of room or advocating for regressive government programs or limiting your lifestyles in any way. We simply want you to flourish. The last thing we want is a government program that taxes Kathleen, Diane, Pauli’s or Bubba’s wives into the workplace and away from their children. We want to use technology to enable the husbands to join their families at home.

Once again, I encourage you to keep the site open, or come criticize my ideas on my site. I will engage you. Here is some of my conjecture. I think that big corporations work to create a false dichotomy between worklife and homelife. They then market leisure as time spent indulging and consuming which they profit on. I say to ignore the propaganda and use that time in creative work and service which profits you, your family and your friends. I say the greatest leisure is in the act of creating.

12:04 PM  
Blogger Cubeland Mystic said...

Next time you face Luddites

http://www.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/07/26/glaxo.vaccine.reut/index.html

;-)

1:54 PM  

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